[identity profile] smithy161.livejournal.com
I have been pondering, over on my journal, how fanfiction readers and writers feel about the netiquette of responding to comments and reviews to stories.
Do you respond to all comments? How much depth do you put into a response? What about negative reviews? Hopefully I can start of a bit of discussion, and see what other fans think.

(Cross-posted all over the place, in different fandoms for a good cross-section. If I put this somewhere it isn't welcome, I'm happy to take it down again.)
[identity profile] smithy161.livejournal.com
I have been pondering, over on my journal, how fanfiction readers and writers feel about the netiquette of responding to comments and reviews to stories.
Do you respond to all comments? How much depth do you put into a response? What about negative reviews? Hopefully I can start of a bit of discussion, and see what other fans think.

(Cross-posted all over the place, in different fandoms for a good cross-section. If I put this somewhere it isn't welcome, I'm happy to take it down again.)

Slashiness

Dec. 28th, 2006 04:35 pm
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
Okay, just because I am really bored and feel like watching MASH...

What, in your opinion, are the slashiest MASH eps? 

X-posted in a couple other places.

Slashiness

Dec. 28th, 2006 04:35 pm
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
Okay, just because I am really bored and feel like watching MASH...

What, in your opinion, are the slashiest MASH eps? 

X-posted in a couple other places.
[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com

okay . . . I just watched the last episode . . . and i'm so shaken up I can't think straight . . .

but since I don't wanna ruin anything . . . SPOILERS WARNING! DO NOT READ ANYTHING OR ANY COMMENTS PAST THIS POINT!

 

[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com

okay . . . I just watched the last episode . . . and i'm so shaken up I can't think straight . . .

but since I don't wanna ruin anything . . . SPOILERS WARNING! DO NOT READ ANYTHING OR ANY COMMENTS PAST THIS POINT!

 

[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com
Alright, I know I was talking about 7th Season last week, and how there isn't much Hawk/ Bj-ness in it, but I was wrong. Golly, I just watched, "Rally Round the Flagg" and "Prevenatative Medicine" and were both SO good. I know, you'all musta all seen them all before, but i sure haven't and these were incredible. Plus they had some the best Hawk/Bj i've seen in a long time.
For example, the scene in "Rally Round the Flagg" where that patient attacks Hawkeye for operating on a north korean first rather than his friend, and he comes to the Swamp and attacks Hawk! And BJ comes in and saves him! He takes one look at Hawk after he got pushed down by the patient and goes crazy to protect him! Remember that part? It's so sweet.
And the whole episode "Prevenatative Medicne" was so good with the both of them. I really didn't see it coming, what Hawk did, taking the guy's appendix out for no reason (except to stop him from leading that fight) and the fight he and Hawk had! I almost cried. They were both so passionate! That part where Hawk says, "I hate myself right now, I hate me, I hate you, and I hate this whole life here and if I can keep that maniac off the line by a simple appendecdimy I'll be able to hate myself with a clear conscience,"
*sniff*
Oh, and the part before that where BJ is really shocked when Hawk says he'll buy the Corornal guy a drink, it might be because he didn't get it at first but i think it's cuz he's jealous. He can be kinda possesive of Hawkeye.
Ok, that's my input for today then. Just wanted to share my enthusasim with someone. If you have any thoughts on the episodes, let me know. Thanks.
[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com
Alright, I know I was talking about 7th Season last week, and how there isn't much Hawk/ Bj-ness in it, but I was wrong. Golly, I just watched, "Rally Round the Flagg" and "Prevenatative Medicine" and were both SO good. I know, you'all musta all seen them all before, but i sure haven't and these were incredible. Plus they had some the best Hawk/Bj i've seen in a long time.
For example, the scene in "Rally Round the Flagg" where that patient attacks Hawkeye for operating on a north korean first rather than his friend, and he comes to the Swamp and attacks Hawk! And BJ comes in and saves him! He takes one look at Hawk after he got pushed down by the patient and goes crazy to protect him! Remember that part? It's so sweet.
And the whole episode "Prevenatative Medicne" was so good with the both of them. I really didn't see it coming, what Hawk did, taking the guy's appendix out for no reason (except to stop him from leading that fight) and the fight he and Hawk had! I almost cried. They were both so passionate! That part where Hawk says, "I hate myself right now, I hate me, I hate you, and I hate this whole life here and if I can keep that maniac off the line by a simple appendecdimy I'll be able to hate myself with a clear conscience,"
*sniff*
Oh, and the part before that where BJ is really shocked when Hawk says he'll buy the Corornal guy a drink, it might be because he didn't get it at first but i think it's cuz he's jealous. He can be kinda possesive of Hawkeye.
Ok, that's my input for today then. Just wanted to share my enthusasim with someone. If you have any thoughts on the episodes, let me know. Thanks.
[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com
I don't have anything to post or anything like that, just had a little MASH talk to talk about. Well, I got season 7, good season, liked it, but I didn't really sense that Hawk and BJ were very close. In fact, it seemed they avoided each other sometimes . . . anyone else get that feeling? It's like . . . well, like they're not sure of each other, or even *gasp* they don't like each other. It disturbed me, I wanted them to seem closer but instead I saw a bunch of averted eyes and purpousfully sitting far away from each other. Is it Hawkeye's resentment of BJ's family? Is he jealous of what BJ has? Just some thoughts folks, I'm really not sure, i might be imagining it all. But, if anyone has any thoughts on the subject, let me know, I don't really know anyone that likes MASH except you guys, so no one else to talk MASH to. Hope you're all doing well, bye.
[identity profile] hawk1701.livejournal.com
I don't have anything to post or anything like that, just had a little MASH talk to talk about. Well, I got season 7, good season, liked it, but I didn't really sense that Hawk and BJ were very close. In fact, it seemed they avoided each other sometimes . . . anyone else get that feeling? It's like . . . well, like they're not sure of each other, or even *gasp* they don't like each other. It disturbed me, I wanted them to seem closer but instead I saw a bunch of averted eyes and purpousfully sitting far away from each other. Is it Hawkeye's resentment of BJ's family? Is he jealous of what BJ has? Just some thoughts folks, I'm really not sure, i might be imagining it all. But, if anyone has any thoughts on the subject, let me know, I don't really know anyone that likes MASH except you guys, so no one else to talk MASH to. Hope you're all doing well, bye.
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
Greetings everyone!

Have you ever had a dream about MASH or something MASH related?

If so, tell us about it, let’s share the craziness lol!

I personally don’t recall ever having a MASH dream…damn…



X – Posted in a couple of places
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
Greetings everyone!

Have you ever had a dream about MASH or something MASH related?

If so, tell us about it, let’s share the craziness lol!

I personally don’t recall ever having a MASH dream…damn…



X – Posted in a couple of places
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
I have taken it upon myself to conduct this little MASH character popularity survey. It's probably been done before but I don't care!

I want to know who you folks prefer out of the following:

Trapper OR BJ?

Frank OR Charles?

Henry OR Potter? 

Radar OR Klinger?


I look forward to the results!

X Posted in a few places.
[identity profile] captain-lubey.livejournal.com
I have taken it upon myself to conduct this little MASH character popularity survey. It's probably been done before but I don't care!

I want to know who you folks prefer out of the following:

Trapper OR BJ?

Frank OR Charles?

Henry OR Potter? 

Radar OR Klinger?


I look forward to the results!

X Posted in a few places.

+ $.02

Mar. 11th, 2006 10:50 pm
[identity profile] katiemariie.livejournal.com
To tell the truth, I've never been satisfied with this fandom. In the "hay day" of the Yahoo! group, I was in a state of constant annoyance. Like in every fandom, the OTPs received the most feedback. Also, we had BNFs. If there is anything I hate, it is BNF-ism. It is such junior high bullshit. Not to sound like Karl Marx, but there were the Haves and the Have Nots. The BNFs and OTPers were the Haves and the "rare" shippers were the Have Nots.

The tiny revival on lj was close to perfection, but we were so few in numbers, and nobody really gave and feedback.

This recent restart has started an all-out gang war-- except really flamboyant. Kinda like West Side Story.

Let me ask you all-- can't we all just get along? Without a caste system? Without favoritism?

I propose equality. Everyone is equal. Nobody is a n00b and nobody is a snob. It'll be like Communism, minus the whole evil dictator thing.

Whaddaya say?

I know there is the issue of Just for Fun Fic and Great Literary Masterpiece Fic and feedback.

Umm, dude? This is why we have that little patch of writing before the story. Just write what type of fic you have written and specify how you would like to receive feedback, if any at all.

+ $.02

Mar. 11th, 2006 10:50 pm
[identity profile] katiemariie.livejournal.com
To tell the truth, I've never been satisfied with this fandom. In the "hay day" of the Yahoo! group, I was in a state of constant annoyance. Like in every fandom, the OTPs received the most feedback. Also, we had BNFs. If there is anything I hate, it is BNF-ism. It is such junior high bullshit. Not to sound like Karl Marx, but there were the Haves and the Have Nots. The BNFs and OTPers were the Haves and the "rare" shippers were the Have Nots.

The tiny revival on lj was close to perfection, but we were so few in numbers, and nobody really gave and feedback.

This recent restart has started an all-out gang war-- except really flamboyant. Kinda like West Side Story.

Let me ask you all-- can't we all just get along? Without a caste system? Without favoritism?

I propose equality. Everyone is equal. Nobody is a n00b and nobody is a snob. It'll be like Communism, minus the whole evil dictator thing.

Whaddaya say?

I know there is the issue of Just for Fun Fic and Great Literary Masterpiece Fic and feedback.

Umm, dude? This is why we have that little patch of writing before the story. Just write what type of fic you have written and specify how you would like to receive feedback, if any at all.
[identity profile] siggen1.livejournal.com
This started as a comment, but ended up taking a different direction. That first comment on X-rated that Murf dug up, and that was categorized as a flame, came from me.

Regarding what has been going on the past 24-36 hours here and in my journal: Wow... Just...wow...

I've never been flamed, and I didn't know that was what I did. Looking back, I would probably have deleted my comment upon re-reading the following morning, except the following morning (CET) the fic was gone, and random remarks around LJ indicated that there'd been drama over the night. Damn the timezones. I'd promised a friend of mine I'd write a little something on the essence of fanfic. It turned slightly more nasty than I intended for it to be. But still, I posted it. Then, a few hours later, I went to bed, and overnight, all hell broke loose here.

I trust Murf and I have made our peace...? I realise that I should've "taken you under my wings" personally, but here's the deal: I still in many ways consider myself a newbie in this fandom, and thereby unworthy, although I should probably wake up and smell the absence of all our BNFs. Also, I suck at betaing. So, sorry for that.
My comment did take out some excess frustration on someone who didn't deserve it, but the header of that story infuriated me, because I believe firmly that deliberately OOC fic isn't good fanfic. My frustration probably originates in the fact that people are running from this fandom faster than their legs can carry them, and that I saw one of the new writers here (or maybe more than one, I'm not sure) write something in a story which could be interpreted to the effect of "Canon my a**, BJ is just intials and mean something because I said so", and this has, to me, seemed to be an example of the attitude of many of the new writers here.

Am I being an elitist bitch? Maybe. If I am, then I'm sorry, and I'll shut up. I didn't mean to cause a wank. Not at all my intention. (I didn't even know that this is what's called a wank) I misjudged the intent with which the header of 'X-rated' was written. I interpreted it as a person deliberately throwing the virtue of good and accurate characterisation to the wind. I realise that it wasn't.

A couple of things to round things off:
-An anonymous commenter on the last post said this: "There's also the question of whether everything posted really is open to criticism. This community assumes that everything is." Er, hello? You want us to just blindly accept someone saying: "I want ONLY positive feedback, my story can't get any better, and if it can, I don't want to know!" Ain't gonna happen on my part, that's for sure. If someone says that feedback is welcome, I will tell the truth. If someone says they only want positive feedback, that's equal to saying they don't want feedback. Sorry.
-I agree with Sara, we've been spoiled, and hold ourselves and others to high standards. But I do want to point out that I have posted both pure encouragements and mixes of concrit and encouragement. I am usually NEVER as harsh as I was the other day. Most of us are slightly brusque in the way we act, though, and that takes some getting-used-to.
-[profile] siriusly_punk: My idea, personally, of fun regarding fanfic, is writing a fic, finishing it and just knowing I nailed the voices, and that I've written something that stands to my own and other people's standards. I did NOT give details on how to write good fanfic. I simply stated (in not quite so few words) that the important thing is to respect the original work. You do not respect the original work if you deliberately and with "malicious intent", so to speak, disregard the characterisation. If you think I'm a snob, then I'm sorry about that. That wasn't my intent.
[identity profile] siggen1.livejournal.com
This started as a comment, but ended up taking a different direction. That first comment on X-rated that Murf dug up, and that was categorized as a flame, came from me.

Regarding what has been going on the past 24-36 hours here and in my journal: Wow... Just...wow...

I've never been flamed, and I didn't know that was what I did. Looking back, I would probably have deleted my comment upon re-reading the following morning, except the following morning (CET) the fic was gone, and random remarks around LJ indicated that there'd been drama over the night. Damn the timezones. I'd promised a friend of mine I'd write a little something on the essence of fanfic. It turned slightly more nasty than I intended for it to be. But still, I posted it. Then, a few hours later, I went to bed, and overnight, all hell broke loose here.

I trust Murf and I have made our peace...? I realise that I should've "taken you under my wings" personally, but here's the deal: I still in many ways consider myself a newbie in this fandom, and thereby unworthy, although I should probably wake up and smell the absence of all our BNFs. Also, I suck at betaing. So, sorry for that.
My comment did take out some excess frustration on someone who didn't deserve it, but the header of that story infuriated me, because I believe firmly that deliberately OOC fic isn't good fanfic. My frustration probably originates in the fact that people are running from this fandom faster than their legs can carry them, and that I saw one of the new writers here (or maybe more than one, I'm not sure) write something in a story which could be interpreted to the effect of "Canon my a**, BJ is just intials and mean something because I said so", and this has, to me, seemed to be an example of the attitude of many of the new writers here.

Am I being an elitist bitch? Maybe. If I am, then I'm sorry, and I'll shut up. I didn't mean to cause a wank. Not at all my intention. (I didn't even know that this is what's called a wank) I misjudged the intent with which the header of 'X-rated' was written. I interpreted it as a person deliberately throwing the virtue of good and accurate characterisation to the wind. I realise that it wasn't.

A couple of things to round things off:
-An anonymous commenter on the last post said this: "There's also the question of whether everything posted really is open to criticism. This community assumes that everything is." Er, hello? You want us to just blindly accept someone saying: "I want ONLY positive feedback, my story can't get any better, and if it can, I don't want to know!" Ain't gonna happen on my part, that's for sure. If someone says that feedback is welcome, I will tell the truth. If someone says they only want positive feedback, that's equal to saying they don't want feedback. Sorry.
-I agree with Sara, we've been spoiled, and hold ourselves and others to high standards. But I do want to point out that I have posted both pure encouragements and mixes of concrit and encouragement. I am usually NEVER as harsh as I was the other day. Most of us are slightly brusque in the way we act, though, and that takes some getting-used-to.
-[profile] siriusly_punk: My idea, personally, of fun regarding fanfic, is writing a fic, finishing it and just knowing I nailed the voices, and that I've written something that stands to my own and other people's standards. I did NOT give details on how to write good fanfic. I simply stated (in not quite so few words) that the important thing is to respect the original work. You do not respect the original work if you deliberately and with "malicious intent", so to speak, disregard the characterisation. If you think I'm a snob, then I'm sorry about that. That wasn't my intent.
[identity profile] siriusly-punk.livejournal.com
Can I just say that you people are being incredible snobs?

-FIRST someone flames someone else for not writing what they consider a "correct" fanfic.

Look, maybe she just wanted to write something for fun, huh? Is that so hard to understand? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this entire thing (M*A*S*H slash) is entirely far fetched to begin with. People write fan fiction as a hobby, as a way to let loose! You know, have a little fun. Though I'm not sure you hard noses even know what fun is, judging from these past few days.

-SECOND the author is understandably upset, because whoever commented on her fic was a great big snob. Author decides to take fics off of oppressive community. And all of a sudden people decide that she is over reacting.

Excuse me, but I think the flamer was overreacting. If the author wants to leave, so what? Who’re you people to judge?


-THIRD some snob decides to write an entire entry detailing the "correct" way to write fanfic. And of course give a little spiel about "taking the newbies under their wings." Who died and made you "oldies" Queen Bitch?

Woah now Professor, heavens forfend the little students decide to do something outside of what you consider to be the "right" way.

To top it all off, you people turn around and laugh over the entire thing, making the author look bad. Like she was the one who was being childish. Personally, I think everyone else was being childish.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

I honestly don’t care what you people think of me for writing this. I needed to say it. I’ve seen this exact same thing happen in many other communities. Somehow I thought this comm. would be better.

*shrugs* Obviously I was wrong.

Some people write fanfic just for fun. So what? What’s wrong with breaking characterization for the sake of creating a light, fluffy story?
I don’t see the harm.

By the way, Author, don’t get mad at me for writing this. I’m fairly sure I’ll have enough angry villagers with torches and pitchforks at my door within minutes of posting this. I’m not doing this to feel better about myself, like I’m some martyr for the under dog. I’m doing this because I believe in standing up for what one believes in.

And I know you people are most likely going to comment with a lot of “Calm down, it’s all in good fun.” Or, “Jesus, cool it, it’s no big deal.” But let me just tell you that I’ve heard it all, and I’m not going to be shut up that easily.


And btw, I read her fic. And I for one, thought it was very well written, very hot, and very “in character.”


Seriously, guys. Give us some breathing room. Don’t nit pick over every little detail. Don’t be a brat just because *gasp* someone wrote Hawkeye slightly out of character. Have a little fun, please.

And maybe I'm not as "eloquent" as some other people, but I don't really care. Whatever you guys wanna say against me, say it. Go on, hit me with your best shot.
[identity profile] siriusly-punk.livejournal.com
Can I just say that you people are being incredible snobs?

-FIRST someone flames someone else for not writing what they consider a "correct" fanfic.

Look, maybe she just wanted to write something for fun, huh? Is that so hard to understand? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this entire thing (M*A*S*H slash) is entirely far fetched to begin with. People write fan fiction as a hobby, as a way to let loose! You know, have a little fun. Though I'm not sure you hard noses even know what fun is, judging from these past few days.

-SECOND the author is understandably upset, because whoever commented on her fic was a great big snob. Author decides to take fics off of oppressive community. And all of a sudden people decide that she is over reacting.

Excuse me, but I think the flamer was overreacting. If the author wants to leave, so what? Who’re you people to judge?


-THIRD some snob decides to write an entire entry detailing the "correct" way to write fanfic. And of course give a little spiel about "taking the newbies under their wings." Who died and made you "oldies" Queen Bitch?

Woah now Professor, heavens forfend the little students decide to do something outside of what you consider to be the "right" way.

To top it all off, you people turn around and laugh over the entire thing, making the author look bad. Like she was the one who was being childish. Personally, I think everyone else was being childish.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

I honestly don’t care what you people think of me for writing this. I needed to say it. I’ve seen this exact same thing happen in many other communities. Somehow I thought this comm. would be better.

*shrugs* Obviously I was wrong.

Some people write fanfic just for fun. So what? What’s wrong with breaking characterization for the sake of creating a light, fluffy story?
I don’t see the harm.

By the way, Author, don’t get mad at me for writing this. I’m fairly sure I’ll have enough angry villagers with torches and pitchforks at my door within minutes of posting this. I’m not doing this to feel better about myself, like I’m some martyr for the under dog. I’m doing this because I believe in standing up for what one believes in.

And I know you people are most likely going to comment with a lot of “Calm down, it’s all in good fun.” Or, “Jesus, cool it, it’s no big deal.” But let me just tell you that I’ve heard it all, and I’m not going to be shut up that easily.


And btw, I read her fic. And I for one, thought it was very well written, very hot, and very “in character.”


Seriously, guys. Give us some breathing room. Don’t nit pick over every little detail. Don’t be a brat just because *gasp* someone wrote Hawkeye slightly out of character. Have a little fun, please.

And maybe I'm not as "eloquent" as some other people, but I don't really care. Whatever you guys wanna say against me, say it. Go on, hit me with your best shot.

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